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	<title>Comments on: Web 2.0 is Many Things, But I Doubt it&#8217;s a $2,800 Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ted,

I must agree with you. 2800 is absurd, but the point is that a lot of (American) people are willing to pay for it. As we have our own startup in Europe, we can only attend if we have funding (from an American VC :) ) and still it is a *&#38;%^load of money. But I am totally convinced that this conference is very very good for networking purposes and would have loved to attend it.
In Europe we charge a lot less for great conferences (around 500 EUR), so also new up and coming startups can attend. In the end a conference is a great way to connect with people do business and be inspired, but you need the up and coming talents as well.

Looking forward to your findings after the Expo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ted,</p>
<p>I must agree with you. 2800 is absurd, but the point is that a lot of (American) people are willing to pay for it. As we have our own startup in Europe, we can only attend if we have funding (from an American VC :) ) and still it is a *&amp;%^load of money. But I am totally convinced that this conference is very very good for networking purposes and would have loved to attend it.<br />
In Europe we charge a lot less for great conferences (around 500 EUR), so also new up and coming startups can attend. In the end a conference is a great way to connect with people do business and be inspired, but you need the up and coming talents as well.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your findings after the Expo.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Brison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Brison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Web 2.0 has been based on an interest to move things forward in a positive way. Creating an effort, event or movement based on a personal dislike of another event seems like a genuine waste of time. Successful movements are always based on a passionate interest in something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Web 2.0 has been based on an interest to move things forward in a positive way. Creating an effort, event or movement based on a personal dislike of another event seems like a genuine waste of time. Successful movements are always based on a passionate interest in something.</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://www.spideysenses.com/2005/09/26/web-20-is-many-things-but-i-doubt-its-a-2800-conference/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James thanks for the thoughtful reply. I'll stand firm that $2,800 is a lot to ask to attend a conference that is about tools being made mostly by a younger set, not focused primarily on maximizing revenue. 

But you lost me when you suggest I and my crew should devise a mid-level funding system for in-need start-ups. I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; running a web2.0 start-up, yet I'm trying to do this w/o VC funding. The known perils of that path are not unknown. I prefer using open-source tools and following a sustainable organic growth model. If you have a good product you will make enough to cover your minimal expenses and then you can grow from there. If not, maybe you shouldn't be taking $4M and losing your company to VC's who never a make a secret of their practicies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James thanks for the thoughtful reply. I&#8217;ll stand firm that $2,800 is a lot to ask to attend a conference that is about tools being made mostly by a younger set, not focused primarily on maximizing revenue. </p>
<p>But you lost me when you suggest I and my crew should devise a mid-level funding system for in-need start-ups. I <i>am</i> running a web2.0 start-up, yet I&#8217;m trying to do this w/o VC funding. The known perils of that path are not unknown. I prefer using open-source tools and following a sustainable organic growth model. If you have a good product you will make enough to cover your minimal expenses and then you can grow from there. If not, maybe you shouldn&#8217;t be taking $4M and losing your company to VC&#8217;s who never a make a secret of their practicies.</p>
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		<title>By: James Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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I'm not sure why there is so much "hating" around the Web 2.0 conference! I run a company out of Atlanta, I attended Web 2.0 last year (connected with some people from Apple which lead to a deal with iTunes) and attended this year (connecting with potential partners at Google, Yahoo, Brightcove and spending quality time with people like Marc Canter, Michael Powell, Lawrence Lee of Zondry and Stowe Boyd at Corante. The conference was worth the $1,680 that I paid to attend many times over. I would suggest that you get you facts together (on pricing and the type of people that attended) , save your nickels and join in next year.

Our industry needs leadership. I don't know Mr. O’Reilly, but I can say that what he has created in Web 2.0 has been based on an interest to move things forward in a positive way. Creating an effort, event or movement based on a personal dislike of another event seems like a genuine waste of time. Successful movements are always based on a passionate interest in something. I hope and prayer that you and your new group find something unique bring to the table and find a reference that is not "anti" anyone or anything.

If you want to know where effort is most needed in this Web 2.0 revolution it can be found on the funding side. Often during the Web 2.0 conference VC, Start up and consultants all called for a new form of funding partner. Not an Angel - they tend to only do a couple of deals at a time; and not a traditional VC - they only want to give you no less than $10,000,000 bucks and they also want to control the business. What came out of Web 2.0 is a need for a "Middle Bank", someone that would be willing to fund the 3 guys in a room that only need a $100,000 and only want to part with a small piece of equity. Of the 15 companies that were launched at Web 2.0 only 3 (I believe) had formal VC funding. I met a dozen more in the halls that refused the notion of traditional VCs but hated the fact that they had to go it alone. One company CEO actually "ATTACKED" the VC panel and asked them what their purpose was in this new Web 2.0 world.

If you want to focus your energy on something I would suggest letting Mr. O’Reilly do his thing and you and your crew help move these brilliant start up from the bottom of the food chain to viable.

All the best,

James Harris
CEO, Founder and Chief Storyteller
Elemental Interactive
1545 Peachtree Street NE
Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30309 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why there is so much &#8220;hating&#8221; around the Web 2.0 conference! I run a company out of Atlanta, I attended Web 2.0 last year (connected with some people from Apple which lead to a deal with iTunes) and attended this year (connecting with potential partners at Google, Yahoo, Brightcove and spending quality time with people like Marc Canter, Michael Powell, Lawrence Lee of Zondry and Stowe Boyd at Corante. The conference was worth the $1,680 that I paid to attend many times over. I would suggest that you get you facts together (on pricing and the type of people that attended) , save your nickels and join in next year.</p>
<p>Our industry needs leadership. I don&#8217;t know Mr. O’Reilly, but I can say that what he has created in Web 2.0 has been based on an interest to move things forward in a positive way. Creating an effort, event or movement based on a personal dislike of another event seems like a genuine waste of time. Successful movements are always based on a passionate interest in something. I hope and prayer that you and your new group find something unique bring to the table and find a reference that is not &#8220;anti&#8221; anyone or anything.</p>
<p>If you want to know where effort is most needed in this Web 2.0 revolution it can be found on the funding side. Often during the Web 2.0 conference VC, Start up and consultants all called for a new form of funding partner. Not an Angel - they tend to only do a couple of deals at a time; and not a traditional VC - they only want to give you no less than $10,000,000 bucks and they also want to control the business. What came out of Web 2.0 is a need for a &#8220;Middle Bank&#8221;, someone that would be willing to fund the 3 guys in a room that only need a $100,000 and only want to part with a small piece of equity. Of the 15 companies that were launched at Web 2.0 only 3 (I believe) had formal VC funding. I met a dozen more in the halls that refused the notion of traditional VCs but hated the fact that they had to go it alone. One company CEO actually &#8220;ATTACKED&#8221; the VC panel and asked them what their purpose was in this new Web 2.0 world.</p>
<p>If you want to focus your energy on something I would suggest letting Mr. O’Reilly do his thing and you and your crew help move these brilliant start up from the bottom of the food chain to viable.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>James Harris<br />
CEO, Founder and Chief Storyteller<br />
Elemental Interactive<br />
1545 Peachtree Street NE<br />
Suite 400<br />
Atlanta, GA 30309</p>
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		<title>By: Laughing Squid   &#187; Web 2.1: A BrainJam for the rest of us</title>
		<link>http://www.spideysenses.com/2005/09/26/web-20-is-many-things-but-i-doubt-its-a-2800-conference/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing Squid   &#187; Web 2.1: A BrainJam for the rest of us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] onversation with Ted Rheingold at Webzine 2005 and Ted&#8217;s subsequent blog post on the Internet 37 Conference, his take on the Web 2.0 Conf [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking to &lt;a href="http://www.willpate.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Will Pate&lt;/a&gt; yesterday about why I wanted to do the &lt;a href="http://chrisheuer.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web 2.1 BrainJam&lt;/a&gt; when I mentioned that the 2.0 confrerence attendance is most likely 1/3 friends of O'Reilly being comped, 1/3 sponsors and speakers comped and 1/3 paying members of vc backed startups - he reminded me that it was the conversation you and I had at WebZine that planted those thoughts in my head - so you are pretty much directly responsible for the 100+ hours of work I will be putting in to get this together.

I still think it is about people, communicating, collaborating and contributing with really easy to use tools that allows anyone to do something cool and useful without bags of money and vaucous marketing hype - but thats my opinion, and why I want to take back the revolution from big media and big money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to <a href="http://www.willpate.org" rel="nofollow">Will Pate</a> yesterday about why I wanted to do the <a href="http://chrisheuer.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Web 2.1 BrainJam</a> when I mentioned that the 2.0 confrerence attendance is most likely 1/3 friends of O&#8217;Reilly being comped, 1/3 sponsors and speakers comped and 1/3 paying members of vc backed startups - he reminded me that it was the conversation you and I had at WebZine that planted those thoughts in my head - so you are pretty much directly responsible for the 100+ hours of work I will be putting in to get this together.</p>
<p>I still think it is about people, communicating, collaborating and contributing with really easy to use tools that allows anyone to do something cool and useful without bags of money and vaucous marketing hype - but thats my opinion, and why I want to take back the revolution from big media and big money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McKellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian McKellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the term "Web 2.0" was invented by O'Reilly Media to sell tickets to their overpriced conference for people that manage people that use dreamweaver.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0#Origin_of_the_term

Personally I think this whole 2.0 thing is bunk. Theres no consistency in the definition beyond "what seems cool to a few tech bloggers right at the moment".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the term &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; was invented by O&#8217;Reilly Media to sell tickets to their overpriced conference for people that manage people that use dreamweaver.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0#Origin_of_the_term" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0#Origin_of_the_term</a></p>
<p>Personally I think this whole 2.0 thing is bunk. Theres no consistency in the definition beyond &#8220;what seems cool to a few tech bloggers right at the moment&#8221;.</p>
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